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change someone's grief status

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to that extent that's something worthy

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of investigation

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there was another woman who participated

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in research

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and sometimes during a

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study we do a follow-up phone reading

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where the medium and the sitter get to

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be on the phone at the same time

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and the medium was getting information

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and she was saying the deceased is

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saying that you should sell your house

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you that you should move

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i don't know what that means that's just

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what i'm getting and she finishes the

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reading and then the

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um the sitter's allowed to comment and

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the sitter said uh that the person that

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we

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had contacted was her son and her son

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had gone through a terrible divorce it

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was her grown son

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and he had moved back home with the

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parents while he got back on his feet

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and they were gonna their house was too

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big and as soon as he moved out they

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were gonna sell

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their house and move and that was six

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years

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prior to this reading and

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it was one of those cases where she kept

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the room exactly the same as

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the day that he had unexpectedly died i

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believe in an

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auto accident and um

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hearing this medium say that the son was

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saying

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that she should sell the house and move

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um i think she used

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a comment like i can live my life i can

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start to live again

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i can just for so for six years she was

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kind of in suspended animation

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um and then a medium said move and she

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could live again

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so there's there's really something

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there so we wanted to

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um we wanted to look at it so we did

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this pilot grief study we just did an

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online survey and asked

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people who had seen a medium to rate

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their level of grief before

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the reading and after the reading and

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then a subset of those people had also

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worked with a mental health professional

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so they also answered the question rate

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your grief before and after working with

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the mental health professional so

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i felt no grief i felt some grief but a

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very low level

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i felt somewhat low manageable level i

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felt that somewhat high and i felt a

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very high almost

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unbearable level of grief and we're

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still collecting data but this is where

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we are

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so far um uh for the reading you can see

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the um the people on average started and

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the n is 65 here in the the mediumship

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so they're a little bit higher the high

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little bit lower than low

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and that change is statistically

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significant to 10 to the negative 26.

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there then the subset of those people

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also worked with a mental health

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professional and they started

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much higher and that makes perfect sense

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if you were at that point of my grief

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was unbearable that would drive you

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to a counselor not to a medium

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and the no surprise the change here

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was also statistically significant but i

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most interesting is i looked at whether

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this change was different than this

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and that was um also significant

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so people were reporting that they felt

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more better i guess you could say more

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after a mediumship reading than they did

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the end of the survey we said do you

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have any comments

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about your grief that you'd like to

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share and this is what some of the

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people said

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i felt better after being with the

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medium she stated things to me that were

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personal from my dad that no social

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worker could have done

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the medium reached my heart the social

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worker my mind

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another person said when my first mental

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health professional negated the reading

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i had with the medium i switched to

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someone who understood and supported my

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new reality

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and therefore received much more

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constructive help with my grief

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so there's a consumer of mental health

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changing to a mental health professional

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that supported her belief system and

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at least um you know entertained the

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possibility that

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uh that this that this was happening

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combination of assistance from mhp and a

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medium is of significant value in

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processing grief and corroborating one's

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belief in life on the other side

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so the two together um

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are maybe helpful than either

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mediums really fast and in-person

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reading is better than a phone reading

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the opposite is true most mediums will

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um when they're on the phone with you

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they can block you out and their

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their left brain need to make

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assessments about you and just

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hear what the disease is saying all

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mediums are kind spiritual people

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nope um a lot of them are nasty nasty

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nasty people

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so um be aware of that more money means

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more or better info

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nope it just means that people will pay

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that person the the medium who gives

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free readings at the psychic fair may be

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better than

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anyone you've ever seen on tv or

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anything like that

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um how to get the most out of a reading

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choose wisely ask the discarnate to be

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there provide as little

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information as possible to the medium

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don't create codes or ask proof

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questions because you know the answer to

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the code

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so that doesn't eliminate telepathy as

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the explanation

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if the medium reports the answer to the

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code you knew the code so it doesn't

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that's not

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evidential for you and remember that

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you're grieving and that

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colors um any your perception of

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everything

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so in the future we still need to answer

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these questions do mediums get their

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information telepathically are they

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communicating with the deceased

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does participating in a mediumship

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reading help in grief recovery

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do measurable changes occur in the

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environment when a discarnate is present

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contrary to what you've seen on go

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centers none of that's been established

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and so we're very interested in in

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looking at that

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my husband um who's the co-founder of

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winbridge has 10 years experience as a

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ghost hunter he hates that term

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we're vegetarian we don't like to hunt

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anything um

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and then what's the best way to interact

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and communicate with a discarnate

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and the big ones what happens when we

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die is they're indeed life after death

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um do we have time i have a little pop

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quiz how much time do we have

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all right a little pop quiz this is the

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first one i'll give you the answer

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socrates said

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death is one of two things either it is

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annihilation and the dead have no

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consciousness of anything

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or as we are told it is really a change

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of migration of the soul from one place

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to another

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so here's another quote we'll see if you

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can see who said these death is a

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natural part of life rejoice for those

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around you who transform into the force

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i'm surprised no one got that that's

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that's a good one

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to the well mind death is but the next

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great adventure

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there you go alice dumbledore the

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headmaster of hogwarts um

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school for witches and wizards i'm not

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sure what it's called

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and then without death life would be

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meaningless

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no that's a good guess but no

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is anyone familiar with the great

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american philosopher dave mustain

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he's the lead singer of megadeth

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about death he said without death life

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would be meaningless

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uh i want to thank so much the sse for

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um this was just a really great

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i i feel honored to have been invited

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chad mark and michael our scientific

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advisory board a couple of

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who are in this very room right now our

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i believe that in the sheet with

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everyone's name on it my email address

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if you would like to put my email

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let me just go back and i'm going to

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i'll come back to this slide during

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but i just want to say if people visit

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our our website

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you can download our our peer-reviewed

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for your attention i'm happy to take any

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thank you julie

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of um the ones i've encountered

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um are male and you know we have a

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waiting list of 300 mediums

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waiting to want to be screened um i

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we only work with one and he has a

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partner that's all

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you know that's as much as i can say um

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it's an interesting

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julie you can probably anticipate that i

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say this but

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i'm a little disturbed by the way you

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characterize super psy because you

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suggested that insane is seemingly

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implausible

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and i just think it needs to be kept in

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mind the uh survival side that is

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or the discarnate in the physical world

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uh apparently knowing what people are

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saying at the sitting that

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that degree of psychic functioning would

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be every bit as refined and every bit as